Latest posts on The Street Shall Rule topichttps://rhizzone.net/forum/topic/198/2011-08-29T21:41:07+00:00Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: The Street Shall Rule (by getfiscal)
2011-08-29T21:41:07+00:001651</p><blockquote><em>Impper posted:</em><br/>i love islam</blockquote><p>the "science" wikiquote page has a richard dawkins semi-atheist quote at the top.
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<br/>"La République n'a pas besoin de savants ni de chimistes ; le cours de la justice ne peut être suspendu." ("The Republic needs neither scientists nor chemists; the course of justice cannot be delayed".)
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: The Street Shall Rule (by Impper)
2011-08-29T21:25:25+00:001649i love islam
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: The Street Shall Rule (by Tsargon)
2011-08-26T21:59:28+00:001325in speer's book he said that once hitler met w/ a bunch of arab delegates and for like a week afterwards he kept talking about how it was a tremendous shame that germany had ended up with "a flabby christianity" instead of becoming a nation of mohammedans
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Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: The Street Shall Rule (by discipline)
2011-08-26T21:55:14+00:001324welcome to the Real
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: The Street Shall Rule (by getfiscal)
2011-08-26T21:17:45+00:001322comedy option: i was reading the green book today and wacky qaddafi basically says all this shit.
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: The Street Shall Rule (by babyfinland)
2011-08-26T20:33:50+00:001320</p><blockquote><em>getfiscal posted:</em><br/>master-theorists have to be vague to effectively fit into confirmation biases. so much of leftism is that by the way. like for any given possible action there are a minimum of four different takes on it, two or three of which will make the action seem stupid. and they apply in every situation. so it seems fairly arbitrary to determine between them.
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<br/>like imagine you are given the opportunity to seize power and you do so. zizek could say "yes, exactly, jump into the void, choose the revolutionary moment, do not fear "bigness" - go for it, your action will retroactively justify itself!" or he could go against it: "sometimes the truly violent act is not to seize power, to in effect become your enemy and manage the situation, necessarily leading to another failure, but rather to refuse to act, to say "you tempt me with power, but i am more powerful than you already!"</blockquote><p>
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<br/>true, fair enough
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: The Street Shall Rule (by getfiscal)
2011-08-26T20:18:39+00:001317master-theorists have to be vague to effectively fit into confirmation biases. so much of leftism is that by the way. like for any given possible action there are a minimum of four different takes on it, two or three of which will make the action seem stupid. and they apply in every situation. so it seems fairly arbitrary to determine between them.
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<br/>like imagine you are given the opportunity to seize power and you do so. zizek could say "yes, exactly, jump into the void, choose the revolutionary moment, do not fear "bigness" - go for it, your action will retroactively justify itself!" or he could go against it: "sometimes the truly violent act is not to seize power, to in effect become your enemy and manage the situation, necessarily leading to another failure, but rather to refuse to act, to say "you tempt me with power, but i am more powerful than you already!"
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: The Street Shall Rule (by babyfinland)
2011-08-26T20:01:13+00:001314well its zizek so hes notoriously wishy washy and confused in his messaging (or if you want to frame it nicely, hegelian) so i donno
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: The Street Shall Rule (by getfiscal)
2011-08-26T19:16:16+00:001312well he does say that sometimes refusing to act is a powerful act in itself, but that's somewhat different.
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: The Street Shall Rule (by getfiscal)
2011-08-26T19:15:24+00:001311actually zizek says the opposite, that you can't retreat into criticism. see his review of critchley's "infinitely demanding" for example.
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: The Street Shall Rule (by babyfinland)
2011-08-26T17:31:02+00:001306</p><blockquote><em>sosie posted:</em><br/>good, but you should know that you need to get away from anything like this and realize that, instead of trying to articulate some positive position and place, the only way you have of saying anything is by being critical, by refusing any positive project and instead analyzing and criticizing those of others.
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<br/>I really strongly disagree but I'd like to hear your reasoning. This sounds like something Zizek would say.
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: The Street Shall Rule (by getfiscal)
2011-08-26T12:54:15+00:001292i'm not sure withdrawing into a place of total criticism makes sense, how do you live without a positive project?
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: The Street Shall Rule (by sosie)
2011-08-26T06:25:07+00:001280good, but you should know that you need to get away from anything like this and realize that, instead of trying to articulate some positive position and place, the only way you have of saying anything is by being critical, by refusing any positive project and instead analyzing and criticizing those of others.
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<br/>also, the collision between islam and communism is really interesting and deserves a place apart
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Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: The Street Shall Rule (by getfiscal)
2011-08-26T02:08:49+00:001242It's a bizarre coincidence but I found the <a href="http://orwell.ru/library/articles/socialists/english/e_fun">perfect quote</a> from Orwell today:
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<br/>"Nearly all creators of Utopia have resembled the man who has toothache, and therefore thinks happiness consists in not having toothache. They wanted to produce a perfect society by an endless continuation of something that had only been valuable because it was temporary."
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: The Street Shall Rule (by babyfinland)
2011-08-25T21:38:18+00:001229</p><blockquote><em>discipline posted:</em><br/></p><blockquote><em>babyfinland posted:</em><br/>To sum up, I see the question here essentially being "Revolution is a re-alignment of the will, but to what?" And I believe that was answered by the prophets as "to God, not to the world". In Muhammad's time this was clear, because he was a prophet and it was simple allegiance to him that ensured adherence to God. Less so during the rightly-guided caliphs' time, and now it is even less clear. But at the same time it is stark and plain what is to be done: have faith that there is no god but God, and that living in coherence with the Sunnah of Muhammad is the correct methodology of success</blockquote><p>I agree with this but I think that the sunnah can be expanded to include innovation in social structure since the time of the prophet. I've never had a problem marrying my belief in various forms of communism to being a muslim. I think the main problem with most social theories is that it doesn't account for a man's soul, or maybe gobbledygooks it up with postmodern theories, and that it's important to have allegiances to ideas and systems bigger than human beings or human made things. perhaps this is why islam has such a root in law and accuracy - because it is designed to bridge the gap between the seen and unseen in such a way that makes it a practical guide to living in harmony with society <em>and</em> the principles of god. </blockquote><p>
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<br/>Oh absolutely. Islam doesn't really stand opposed to any particular social program as such (with certain obvious exceptions such as evil and haraam), it simply commandeers it and re-aligns it towards God rather than secular zero-sum manipulations.