Latest posts on Counterpoint: "Free Speech" is Stupid topichttps://rhizzone.net/forum/topic/15941/2020-07-21T08:34:46+00:00Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Counterpoint: "Free Speech" is Stupid (by Themselves)
2020-07-21T08:34:46+00:00401262people trying to teach out when what we need to figure out is how to teach in
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Counterpoint: "Free Speech" is Stupid (by tears)
2020-07-20T16:22:48+00:00401244*discarded face mask blows down street* who cancels the cancelers
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Counterpoint: "Free Speech" is Stupid (by shriekingviolet)
2020-07-19T22:31:26+00:00401229</p><style type="text/css">.custom401217{color:#000000 !important; background-color:#B6D4F0 !important; }</style><blockquote class="custom401217"><em><a href="/forum/post/401217/">88888</a> posted:</em><br/><p class="postbody_text">some signees wanted glenn greenwald on the letter but they got "outvoted" on it () and so he never got asked lol. cancellations within cancellations, how deep does it go?</p></blockquote><p class="postbody_text">
<br/>damn these bastards, swampman went to all that effort making an actual good argument but they just had to steal his thunder by preemptively betraying their own idea of free speech in the planning stages
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Counterpoint: "Free Speech" is Stupid (by 88888)
2020-07-19T18:36:26+00:00401217some signees wanted glenn greenwald on the letter but they got "outvoted" on it (<img class="postimg_inline" src="https://i.imgur.com/W3lQIhN.png"/>) and so he never got asked lol. cancellations within cancellations, how deep does it go?
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Counterpoint: "Free Speech" is Stupid (by vimingok)
2020-07-19T17:05:29+00:00401216</p><blockquote><p class="postbody_text">intolerance of opposing views, a vogue for public shaming and ostracism, and the tendency to dissolve complex policy issues in a blinding moral certainty
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<br/>institutional leaders, in a spirit of panicked damage control, are delivering hasty and disproportionate punishments instead of considered reforms. Editors are fired for running controversial pieces; books are withdrawn for alleged inauthenticity; journalists are barred from writing on certain topics; professors are investigated for quoting works of literature in class; a researcher is fired for circulating a peer-reviewed academic study; and the heads of organizations are ousted for what are sometimes just clumsy mistakes
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<br/>steadily narrow the boundaries of what can be said without the threat of reprisal
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<br/>greater risk aversion among writers, artists, and journalists who fear for their livelihoods if they depart from the consensus, or even lack sufficient zeal in agreement.</p></blockquote><p class="postbody_text">
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<br/>All of which are core features of free speech, so the letter signers should be protesting free speech. Zephyr Teachout:
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<br/></p><blockquote><p class="postbody_text">Zephyr Rain Teachout is an American attorney, author, and Associate Professor of Law at Fordham University. In 2014, Teachout ran for the Democratic Party nomination for governor of New York and lost to incumbent Governor Andrew Cuomo, receiving 34% of the primary vote. Wikipedia
<br/>Born: 24 October 1971 (age 48 years), Vermont, United States
<br/>Full name: Zephyr Rain Teachout
<br/>Spouse: Nick Juliusburger (m. 2016)
<br/>Siblings: Woden Teachout, Chelsea Teachout, Cabot Teachout, Dillon Teachout
<br/>Education: Yale University, Hanover High School, Duke University, Duke University School of Law</p></blockquote><p class="postbody_text">
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<br/>Zephyr Rain Teachout:
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<br/></p><blockquote><p class="postbody_text">Earlier this week, Zephyr Teachout called out the corrupting influence of corporate money in politics.
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<br/>Nothing new there. The fight against corruption has been at the center of Teachout's legal and political career. She's written books about it. She's campaigned against it. She's an expert on the topic.
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<br/>This time, Teachout's target was Joe Biden. In a piece for the Guardian newspaper, she said the former vice president has "a big corruption problem."
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<br/>The blowback was immediate.
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<br/>Some Democrats, in their eagerness to beat Donald Trump, said there was no place for criticism that could weaken the party's likely 2020 nominee. Some claimed Teachout was parroting a GOP narrative. Some questioned the timing, saying it undercut impeachment.
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<br/>So hot was the reaction that Bernie Sanders felt compelled to apologize for Teachout's words, though her criticism had no connection to his presidential campaign. (Teachout is a Sanders supporter, but wrote on her own behalf.)
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<br/>“It is absolutely not my view that Joe is corrupt in any way," Sanders told CBS News. "And I'm sorry that that op-ed appeared."
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<br/>It will be hard for Teachout to scrub away the tire tracks from that bus. But was she wrong about Biden? Not at all.</p></blockquote><p class="postbody_text">
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<br/>Wife of Nick Juliusburger:
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<br/></p><blockquote><p class="postbody_text">In the last decision of the 2019-2020 supreme court term, Trump v Mazars, John Roberts outdid himself in being John Roberts. He authored a 7-2 decision in which he appears to stand up against Donald Trump’s lawlessness, by clarifying that Congress can issue subpoenas for Trump financial documents. However, the congressional power is constrained by a new, vague, four-part test for courts to use in approving subpoenas for presidential documents. Roberts grandly reaffirmed congressional power to investigate the executive branch in theory, while making it harder in practice. He presented himself as the sober, rule-of-law judge, calling balls and strikes in the childish conflict between Congress and the executive branch – while giving himself more power.
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<br/>Yet there’s one big silver lining in Mazars: while shifting power from Congress to the courts in executive branch investigations, it gave Congress a huge green light for investigations into big corporations. According to the logic of the opinion, Congress is at the peak of its power when investigating economic behavior in service of prospec</p></blockquote><p class="postbody_text">
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<br/>Zephyr Teachout, folks.
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Counterpoint: "Free Speech" is Stupid (by Themselves)
2020-07-19T08:51:28+00:00401204i find it interesting that Noam Chomsky signed The Thing, ostensibly to do a solid for Norman Finkelstein, but Norman didn't sign the thing and is just making funny tweets anyway
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Counterpoint: "Free Speech" is Stupid (by Gssh)
2020-07-09T07:55:49+00:00401006</p><style type="text/css">.custom400992{color:#000000 !important; background-color:#FFFFFF !important; }</style><blockquote class="custom400992"><em><a href="/forum/post/400992/">Flying_horse_in_saudi_arabia</a> posted:</em><br/><p class="postbody_text"><a href="https://rhizzone.net/articles/placeholder/">https://rhizzone.net/articles/placeholder/</a>nice url. for me to poop on.</p></blockquote><p class="postbody_text">
<br/>ok. update your urls, fixed.
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Counterpoint: "Free Speech" is Stupid (by Flying_horse_in_saudi_arabia)
2020-07-09T03:30:30+00:00400992<a href="https://rhizzone.net/articles/placeholder/">https://rhizzone.net/articles/placeholder/</a> nice url. for me to poop on.
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Counterpoint: "Free Speech" is Stupid (by trakfactri)
2020-07-09T01:12:28+00:00400988I'm also signing on to the letter demanding front page now.
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Counterpoint: "Free Speech" is Stupid (by Flying_horse_in_saudi_arabia)
2020-07-09T00:49:26+00:00400987Frontpage now pls
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Counterpoint: "Free Speech" is Stupid (by Acdtrux)
2020-07-09T00:08:01+00:00400982<img class="postimg_inline" src="https://i.imgur.com/3dreX9x.png"/>
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Counterpoint: "Free Speech" is Stupid (by Acdtrux)
2020-07-09T00:01:41+00:00400981</p><style type="text/css">.custom400932{color:#41114F !important; background-color:#D1CEBA !important; }</style><blockquote class="custom400932"><em><a href="/forum/post/400932/">swampman</a> posted:</em><br/><p class="postbody_text">We can add anyone who said there were WMDs in Iraq, just for example. </p></blockquote><p class="postbody_text">
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<br/>If only they had engaged in the free marketplace of ideas!
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Counterpoint: "Free Speech" is Stupid (by trakfactri)
2020-07-08T22:12:52+00:00400979<img class="postimg_inline" src="https://media2.giphy.com/media/3o84sqXoYwJSQ9bBba/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e470250434d635cb35f9fc7228efb30d310defda8c0&rid=giphy.gif"/>
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Counterpoint: "Free Speech" is Stupid (by swampman)
2020-07-08T19:23:28+00:00400975happy noam chomsky getting fucking owned by the dumbest people on the planet day
<br/><img class="postimg_inline" src="https://i.imgur.com/Wz4zpoH.png"/>
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Counterpoint: "Free Speech" is Stupid (by kamelred)
2020-07-08T18:15:17+00:00400973i believe calls for protection of free speech, in fact, refer to a perceived need or desire to place <em>additional </em>protections on speech, or rather notes that existing protections are inadequate to the national moment and must be strengthened. its not necessarily clear that free speech would be sufficiently protected if existing rules etc. were more strictly enforced or enforcement levels remained exactly the same, in other words. so in this case it might be that the signatories are more interested in the general spirit of the idea, which could be characterized as the ability to articulate various opinions and ideas without <em>undue </em>reprisal, the meaning of which they do not spell out in detail but i think the gist is clear. so im not sure that just simply saying like "there are already laws protecting free speech as a general idea" would be an effective response in this case, tim
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<br/>another criticism could be that the adjective "exorbitant", which does actually mean overly high, wouldn't necessarily be the right way to characterize a jet. ordinarily the high-ness implied by the word exorbitant refers to the cost of something