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2021-02-01T23:30:03+00:00406747Agreed, working in a lib org isn't necessarily a total waste of time, it's just that the usefulness isn't going to come out of reforming it into a radical powerhouse. what you're going to gain is experience organizing and socializing politically, and hopefully you will make valuable connections with other likeminded people that will help you in the future.
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<br/>especially if you're new to political action, nothing is wasted so long as you are learning and growing instead of burning yourself out.
Discussion :: Drink Yourself to Death :: this thread brought to you by Bernie 2020 (NOT the Billionaires) (by colddays)
2021-02-01T16:58:49+00:00406738Don't feel bad Dave, I've been in a liberal org (not DSA) for a few months now and we've managed to do some fun stuff like yelling at cops, helped some people out of jail, distributed some cold weather gear for houseless people around town, and had some interesting conversations about ~communist theory~ and whatnot in between the campaigning for democratic party candidates. It's not all bad.
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<br/>For a while I also thought that maybe since everyone in this org genuinely wants to be radical so much, we would start moving in a properly communist direction and develop beyond liberalism. But the one thing we all kinda agreed not to do was to collaborate with the police, and now we're in a situation where it's convenient to collaborate with the police on a couple of things, so after a couple of meetings to discuss the question where I was the only one arguing against it, we voted to go ahead and ask the local pigs for help. It really made me accept that the "they'll get more radical" hypothesis wasn't gonna work out. I mean, individually I'm sure all of the people I've been working with will absolutely get more radical but the org just isn't gonna be able to hold that kind of energy, and we'll all either just slip out of it one by one or fracture off into some other little group together.
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<br/>And from what I've seen out of the local chapter, none of DSA's organizational offspring will be viable at all, unfortunately.
Discussion :: Drink Yourself to Death :: this thread brought to you by Bernie 2020 (NOT the Billionaires) (by tears)
2021-02-01T10:17:21+00:00406731moderate_dave?
Discussion :: Drink Yourself to Death :: this thread brought to you by Bernie 2020 (NOT the Billionaires) (by zhaoyao)
2021-02-01T01:02:55+00:00406719<img class="postimg_inline" src="https://www.artnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/i-want-to-believe-cover.jpg"/>
Discussion :: Drink Yourself to Death :: this thread brought to you by Bernie 2020 (NOT the Billionaires) (by Acdtrux)
2021-02-01T00:50:45+00:00406717</p><style type="text/css">.custom406713{}</style><blockquote class="custom406713"><em><a href="/forum/post/406713/">radical_dave</a> posted:</em><br/><p class="postbody_text">optimistic that some of the membership will become more radicalized over time
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Discussion :: Drink Yourself to Death :: this thread brought to you by Bernie 2020 (NOT the Billionaires) (by radical_dave)
2021-01-31T23:55:26+00:00406713</p><style type="text/css">.custom406652{color:#203348 !important; background-color:#D2F0FF !important; }</style><blockquote class="custom406652"><em><a href="/forum/post/406652/">cars</a> posted:</em><br/><p class="postbody_text">oh I didn't say I hoped for anything from the DSA politicians. but I am an optimist about a small chunk of people who join DSA regularly getting turned on to actual socialism and coming to join us in our love grotto of social media 1.0.</p></blockquote><p class="postbody_text">
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<br/>DSA is the only organization i'm an (inactive) member of, so at least some DSA members are aware that it's not a fully socialist organization and not to expect much from it or its candidates. i don't know whether i can extrapolate from my case to conclude much about the overall nature of the organization and its membership though, for in some ways i'm not exactly representative of their base. for example, i got interested in the left and started reading marx around the time of the financial collapse, but it seems like most people in the DSA got interested in socialism because of bernie sander's primary campaigns. like, if you got into socialism via the latter, it makes sense that your political horizon would be similar to the political horizon of bernie's program. i think the lack of actual socialism in the DSA is, at least partly, due to inexperience, so i'm mildly optimistic that some of the membership will become more radicalized over time
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<br/>edit: if you're looking to adopt a flamewar posting style, feel free to flame me for giving money to the DSA lol
Discussion :: Drink Yourself to Death :: this thread brought to you by Bernie 2020 (NOT the Billionaires) (by pogfan1996)
2021-01-31T17:17:22+00:00406694If we start posting anti gonzaloite stuff on the frontpage we might be able to start attracting newer weirder posters
Discussion :: Drink Yourself to Death :: this thread brought to you by Bernie 2020 (NOT the Billionaires) (by jyt7rsusd8769w850yjn708stzhbau)
2021-01-31T17:10:02+00:00406693i think youre both wrong fuck you fuck all of this fuck everything
Discussion :: Drink Yourself to Death :: this thread brought to you by Bernie 2020 (NOT the Billionaires) (by pogfan1996)
2021-01-31T14:37:51+00:00406691I agree with you, I think it's a funny observation. I don't think my post was very clear so that's on me.
Discussion :: Drink Yourself to Death :: this thread brought to you by Bernie 2020 (NOT the Billionaires) (by cars)
2021-01-31T12:56:02+00:00406689I wonder if we all just agree on so much stuff now in this age of darkest reaction that these forums can no longer support a flame war economy without pretending for a couple pages at a time that we don't know we agree with each other. Maybe we should hold interviews for a couple anarchoprimitivists or invite back one of the comedy Trots we drove away through our exacting science.
Discussion :: Drink Yourself to Death :: this thread brought to you by Bernie 2020 (NOT the Billionaires) (by cars)
2021-01-31T12:03:07+00:00406688I mean if there's one idea that's objectively anti-communist, it's the idea that any communist today was born a communist.
Discussion :: Drink Yourself to Death :: this thread brought to you by Bernie 2020 (NOT the Billionaires) (by cars)
2021-01-31T10:46:32+00:00406687yeah sometimes.
Discussion :: Drink Yourself to Death :: this thread brought to you by Bernie 2020 (NOT the Billionaires) (by pogfan1996)
2021-01-30T03:34:04+00:00406667It’s true, universal healthcare is the stepping stone to thinking that the kulaks had it coming
Discussion :: Drink Yourself to Death :: this thread brought to you by Bernie 2020 (NOT the Billionaires) (by cars)
2021-01-30T02:10:23+00:00406652oh I didn't say I hoped for anything from the DSA politicians. but I am an optimist about a small chunk of people who join DSA regularly getting turned on to actual socialism and coming to join us in our love grotto of social media 1.0.
Discussion :: Drink Yourself to Death :: this thread brought to you by Bernie 2020 (NOT the Billionaires) (by radical_dave)
2021-01-29T23:25:45+00:00406619as far as i can tell, the DSA has no mechanism in place to hold the candidates they endorse for election accountable, let alone the power to get their candidates, if elected, to push for truly socialist demands. for the time being, there's no reason to hope for anything from a "DSA politician" other than, at best, watered-down social democratic reformism. just my 2 cents
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<br/>edit: also, for the record, i'm drinking myself to death while posting this. cheers