Latest posts on Take my wife... by force! topichttps://rhizzone.net/forum/topic/14134/2023-04-04T17:43:07+00:00Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Take my wife... by force! (by str_el_boi)
2023-04-04T17:43:07+00:00415944</p><style type="text/css">.custom415943{color:#FFFFFF !important; background-color:#4765B8 !important; }</style><blockquote class="custom415943"><em><a href="/forum/post/415943/">zhaoyao</a> posted:</em><br/><p class="postbody_text">what sort of automobile would be made available free of charge to all nazi working-age men between the ages of 12 and 75 </p></blockquote><p class="postbody_text">
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Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Take my wife... by force! (by zhaoyao)
2023-04-04T06:16:57+00:00415943you just got to ask the right questions. like what sort of automobile would be made available free of charge to all nazi working-age men between the ages of 12 and 75
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Take my wife... by force! (by cars)
2023-04-03T18:29:15+00:00415941</p><style type="text/css">.custom343911{color:#203348 !important; background-color:#D2F0FF !important; }</style><blockquote class="custom343911"><em><a href="/forum/post/343911/">cars</a> posted:</em><br/><p class="postbody_text">To the extent that you buy the palingenetic aspect of fascism, you can also see it in the petit-bourgeois myths of hearth and home the Nazis deployed around their "have more kids" programs, myths that were irrelevant to the home countries' mode of production and would have been antithetical to solving Germany and Austria's labor problems if they were acted out.</p></blockquote><p class="postbody_text">
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<br/>was thinking about this recently while reading about the Nazis' corporatist pseudo-union. One of Hitler's big promises was that workers' dues would go into a state fund to buy an automobile for every last apple-cheeked wiener schnitzel household in Germany. Then the Nazis took power and immediately shifted auto production to military vehicles, to get blown up or abandoned when the USSR routed the German army. Just another one of those things where a fascist government has a limited window on its propaganda before it's required to dump all its newly-appreciated currency into a surplus ammo box and light it on fire.
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Take my wife... by force! (by pogfan1996)
2021-10-05T18:13:06+00:00412653I’m so lost without an example
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Take my wife... by force! (by cars)
2021-10-05T12:46:52+00:00412651</p><style type="text/css">.custom343867{color:#41114F !important; background-color:#D1CEBA !important; }</style><blockquote class="custom343867"><em><a href="/forum/post/343867/">swampman</a> posted:</em><br/><p class="postbody_text">Another role of a spouse is to be a companion and provide emotional intimacy. The online reactionaries have cobbled together, out of desperate necessity, replacements for this emotional deficiency, ie. clamorous mass-discussion is characterized by extreme oversharing of what used to be called "what happens in the bedroom", where only one's spouse had intimate knowledge.</p></blockquote><p class="postbody_text">
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<br/>...was thinking of this thread recently when someone shared a screenshot of something interesting with me... I was going to refer to swampman's OP here when I posted in the Twitter thread, but this whole OP is worth reading for everyone here, so I decided to bump the thread instead. Anyway...
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<br/>There's this new grift online, where the far-right/"post-left" pepe guys have started to gather deferentially around a woman (or purported woman, who knows) offering them comic-strip stories about that woman as their doting fantasy girlfriend (or, more accurately, that woman's online persona, which has been filtered through comfortable meme imagery). In various scenarios, built around the audience's fears of their own inadequacies, the fantasy woman provides their frog-person avatar—not the original hijacked image, but a popular baby-fied distortion—with emotional intimacy he can gain only from her, including rescuing her helpless lover from other, more threatening, imaginary meme-women who seek to lead him astray.
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<br/>These comic-strip fantasies heavily involve the target guy's babbling infantilization through his avatar. And, fair is fair, I was kind of laughing when a bunch of kids began to post all the "mommy gf" stuff that's proliferated recently alongside pictures of Freud, because... yeah, obviously, and do you really need to affirm that you know Oedipal fantasies are Freudian...? The whole point of Freud's work on the topic was to establish that such fantasies are ubiquitous and out themselves constantly through culture, seeking to be expressed and acknowledged without camouflage. I get it, though... young people have to discover things on their own.
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<br/>But this development is a step beyond those Oedipal images. The fantasy no longer needs to be consumed as a private self-application of a mass-consumer fantasy, nor even in a public celebration of the concrete as a sexual object desired by each individual qua individual, such as a group of men remarking on the body of a woman. They would not dream of talking about this woman in that way for fear of shattering the illusion of safety and intimacy. (And there is no body here at all beyond an abstracted, PG-rated cartoon; the "man" is a distorted humanoid frog; so far as it's a body, it's a body without organs.)
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<br/>The worship of this woman has become instead a communal online ecstasy, men publicly sharing in it together. And it's not just them saying, <em>Wow, check this out, this is hot, </em>guys sitting around watching porn together—it's not the communal objectification of the woman in their collective sight that carries the erotic content. It's the objectification of their own helpless vulnerability in need of affirmation. It is, beyond that, a political statement as well, an expression of their common far-right politics, and one in total contradiction of those politics' fearful denunciation of homosexuality.
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<br/>These guys are beginning to get second-order-hot <em>for each other, </em>is what I'm saying. The avatar represents not just each of them, but <em>all </em>of them. The ostentatious performance of responding to this stuff in full sight of each other seems to be a necessary part of its appeal, not just a "sometimes" thing or a perk on the side. What follows, and has already followed, is the men assuming the role of erotic objects for each other.
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<br/>All of this is happening as publicly as anything does in these weirdos' deeply online world... the potshots write themselves, and people are writing them anyway. But the exact details have surprised me even as someone who brought up something like it earlier. I linked back to the OP of this thread when I wrote a little while ago about how <strong><a href="https://rhizzone.net/forum/post/384182/">the online far right's obsessive hoarding of images of angry feminists, transgender teens and Photoshopped cuckoldry suggests they use all of the above as spank material.</a> </strong>They either pretend the people in those images are their lovers or pretend they are images of themselves, though they need never acknowledge it <em>even </em>to themselves.
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<br/>True to swampman's prediction, the self-loathing men of the far right are beginning to engage in a form of misogynist polyandry, organizing themselves eagerly as a gaggle of lower-ranked husbands orbiting a wife whose perceived value follows from the impossibility of this woman as the wife of any of them as individuals—the target audience's diehard disbelief that a woman would behave this way toward any of these men, <em>including the woman doing it. </em>It's impossible for the men to imagine in the moment that she's speaking to any of them in particular, so they don't even try. They celebrate their communal joy in this fantasy, and... they are starting to provide it to each other as well, to role-play in the replies as each others' mothers, wives and girlfriends, even though they know full well the ones doing so aren't women. These guys are getting pretty gay about it.
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<br/>So swampman's prediction turns out to be correct, but it's manifested in a peculiar way. The OP ends on what these guys might see as their ideal future, the erotic thrill of each far-right peon being allowed a time-share of access to a woman by the elite men who own those women. That's now being proved right by the breakout success of a virtual and anticipatory fantasy equivalent, seen by these men as the upper limit of expectations, as the practical ultimate of their emotional satisfaction.
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<br/>But, in this case, the vendor for that access isn't a man. It's one of the small-time-big-time "post-left" <em>women </em>who's acting as pimp here for the other woman providing the fantasy. The first, more online-famous woman in the equation no doubt understands that this is the sort of fantasy her fans nurse about her: the daydream that the micro-celebrity's performative politics (symbolizing in her readers' minds their own lack of sex appeal) will somehow lead her into a romantic relationship with each of them.
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<br/>Rather than the better-known woman entertaining that fantasy herself, which would detract from her performance as an unattainable rarity and therefore from her appeal, she's walking these men a short online distance away, over to the other woman who's willing to act that fantasy out all day, if only in a generalized, pornographized, non-individualized way. Together, they're helping each far-right, no-hope loser integrate into the crowd of their fellows around that other woman, the men affirming their collective need for intimacy in personal despair, and, ultimately, eroticizing each other within it.
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<br/>The first woman's continued affirmation of the second enhances the first's ongoing taboo appeal among her audience, feeding the audience's fantasies that she'll someday provide each of them with the fantasy personally, while the second woman gets the visibility the first can provide. The two women provide somewhere for the men to play pretend with each other, affirming that they're not any less fascist for their potentially embarrassing behavior. The men provide the pair of women with what passes for fame in their neck of the woods without troubling either of them to treat each man as an individual worthy of attention (which would only frighten the men anyway, a common event when women address their avatar directly in the comics I'm describing.)
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<br/>I think the woman-pimp makes a certain amount of sense here, a chaste reverse-Ghislaine Maxwell recruiting the men as fantasy-feminized girl-slaves for the other woman and for each other. The men involved seem to feel safe, safe enough to sexualize their interactions with the other men around them, only because all of them, through communal celebration of these little comic strips about their avatar, have been reduced to helpless infants on the same level with each other. They don't have to worry about being attractive and thus can believe they are. But to maintain the politics that brought them to the fantasy, they need a man-as-leader, one of their imaginary god-kings, to pimp out his otherwise-forbidden woman to them, the woman his superiority has attracted in the cargo-cult version of human ethology they use to interpret the world.
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<br/>Still, these men are scared of their imagined "true" adult man approaching their fantasy, even though that fantasy requires him. Pretending to be an adult man, pretending to be favored by one—these are such deep and frightening and frustrated desires that they have to be re-sublimated, producing a sort of surplus self-repression. These guys can't enjoy themselves if they keep thinking of what they are convinced they lack, and their collective beliefs state they lack it because of an insurmountably inferior nature compared to their social superior, the fantasy Man.
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<br/>But now, two women have arrived to do the job of the feared and hated and beloved Man, a pair of Jocastan mommies blowing suggestive pseudo-lesbian kisses across the dinner table as they help these men play gay babies with each other. All of their fantasies, none of their fears. Perfect for these men, if also guaranteed to disappoint in the moments they most need what the fantasy pretends to provide.
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<br/>When I wrote the post I linked above, I assumed that all of this stuff would stay furtive and semi-private, that it would have to remain hidden to some degree to preserve these men's self-images as champions of an elusive pre-lapsarian "manhood" threatened by feminists. I guess not. The simulacrum arrives ahead of schedule...
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Take my wife... by force! (by swampman)
2017-05-25T15:19:10+00:00347553<a href="http://reason.com/archives/2017/05/25/cops-fight-for-the-right-to-sexually-exp">http://reason.com/archives/2017/05/25/cops-fight-for-the-right-to-sexually-exp</a>
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Take my wife... by force! (by cars)
2017-04-17T23:55:53+00:00344949</p><style type="text/css">.custom344855{color:#5EFFFA !important; background-color:#236325 !important; }</style><blockquote class="custom344855"><em><a href="/forum/post/344855/">stegosaurus</a> posted:</em><br/><p class="postbody_text">my half assed prognosis is that the mobility and 'double freedom' of women (to work, to starve) is too important to capitalism now in the periphery for male movements there to be allowed to re-assert old school patriarchy, and in the core womens rights cant be rolled back without basically giving up on preserving social peace. which doesnt mean that these movements wont try horrendous things or even be partially successful at them, but long term these people will remain marginal unless capitalism here suddenly decides that social peace in the imperial core isnt worth trying for anymore at which point its going to be a really terrifying free for all. its just offensive on a basic human level that people are allowed to do this type of shit in public and then gloat about it later. </p></blockquote><p class="postbody_text">
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<br/>washing into that is how the tiny proportion of women who subscribe to those ideas plays the same game as anti-feminist women have since the 80s but more openly, their worth on all levels to the reactionary movement and its adherents depending on their scarcity and the disgust of other women, even conservative businesswomen, toward the reaction, while women adherents' own disproportionate voice in the reaction betrays its fundamental contradictions.
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<br/>relationships and marriages are also a main way men in the wider reactionary movement go after each other, playing "who married a Jew" and so on.
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Take my wife... by force! (by Themselves)
2017-04-17T05:33:48+00:00344890Nazis are too stupid to realize what the benefactors of the military industrial complex aren't: there's gold in them there hills!
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<br/>US foreign policy and the defense of its stated and unstated "spheres of influence" are the prerequisite for US hegemony, not something that take away from it, imo.
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Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Take my wife... by force! (by swampman)
2017-04-16T21:54:59+00:00344875</p><style type="text/css">.custom344855{color:#5EFFFA !important; background-color:#236325 !important; }</style><blockquote class="custom344855"><em><a href="/forum/post/344855/">stegosaurus</a> posted:</em><br/><p class="postbody_text">long term these people will remain marginal unless capitalism here suddenly decides that social peace in the imperial core isnt worth trying for anymore at which point its going to be a really terrifying free for all.</p></blockquote><p class="postbody_text">
<br/>My go-to "what are the average racists thinking today?" site is the comments sections on liveleak videos. The video of yesterday's bombing shows their widespread awareness that the rebels are directly armed by the US & NATO. That's only a "compliment" to their movement insofar as one has to commit to willful ignorance to swallow the state department's lies. This is where the anti-globalization aspect of fascism matters, because if the white nationalists can undermine foreign intervention, the oppression can turn inward against blacks and women, the commenters' most-despised enemies. These people can speak honestly about the nature of Daesh involvement in Syria and then turn around and say things like, antifa are the worst terrorists on earth. I agree with you that they're in a serious bind - the impossible necessity of remaining inclusive enough to launch a movement of exclusion prevents their program from advancing naturally. But Daesh doesn't need a popular base either, just access to a lot of weapons.
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<br/>I feel the same way I did about ppg's adventurism, the speculation can spiral endlessly, we have to escape it and take refuge in real preparations.
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Take my wife... by force! (by stegosaurus)
2017-04-16T17:04:45+00:00344855my half assed prognosis is that the mobility and 'double freedom' of women (to work, to starve) is too important to capitalism now in the periphery for male movements there to be allowed to re-assert old school patriarchy, and in the core womens rights cant be rolled back without basically giving up on preserving social peace. which doesnt mean that these movements wont try horrendous things or even be partially successful at them, but long term these people will remain marginal unless capitalism here suddenly decides that social peace in the imperial core isnt worth trying for anymore at which point its going to be a really terrifying free for all. its just offensive on a basic human level that people are allowed to do this type of shit in public and then gloat about it later.
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Take my wife... by force! (by stegosaurus)
2017-04-16T16:45:57+00:00344854some alt right guy on twitter made a celebratory video of that antifa woman getting sucker punched by the evropa identity guy, right when he lands the punch the text 'bad waifu' comes up. meanwhile at the same event a group of nazi men provided an escort for lauren southern so she wouldnt get harassed by 'commie thugs.' not going to express in a public forum what should be done to these 'people'
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Take my wife... by force! (by marimite)
2017-04-13T07:17:59+00:00344586</p><style type="text/css">.custom343941{color:#000000 !important; background-color:#FFFFFF !important; }</style><blockquote class="custom343941"><em><a href="/forum/post/343941/">Petrol</a> posted:</em><br/><p class="postbody_text">great OP. i was dreading having to read anything using the c-word but this was worth it. thanks swampman.
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<br/>tangentially i am reminded of the revolting zizek piece about the supposed immigrant gangrape in germany which he took seriously at face value from news reports in order to compare it to some completely unrelated historical violent acting-out towards animals by proletarian men. as usualy his point was very much in line with the worst fascist opinion makers, but with a zizekian twist - yes, immigrants are not perfect, and in fact can be expected to rape and commit other atrocities, but <em>so what</em>? i will be very happy when he dies. </p></blockquote><p class="postbody_text">
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<br/>Recently re-reading Zizek, it's amazing how he takes up blatantly racist premises and then accuses those who disagree as being the patronizing racists. Example:
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<br/>What truly disturbs liberals is therefore <em>enjoyment </em>organized in the form of self-sufficient ethnic communities. It is against this background that we should consider the ambiguous consequences of the politics of school busing in the USA, for example. Its principal aim, of course, was to surmount racist barriers: children from black communities would widen their cultural horizons by partaking in the white way of life, children from white communities would experience the nullity of racial prejudices by way of contacts with blacks, etc. Yet, inextricably, another logic was entwined in this project, especially where school busing was externally imposed by the "enlightened" state bureaucracy: to destroy the enjoyment of the closed ethnic communities by abrogating their boundaries. For this reason, school busing--insofar as it was experienced by the concerned communities as imposed from outside--reinforced or to some extent generated racism where previously there was a desire of an ethnic community to maintain the closure of its way of life, a desire which is <em>not </em>in itself "racist" (as liberals themselves admit through their fascination with exotic "modes of life" of others). What one should do here is to call into question the entire theoretical apparatus that sustains this liberal attitude, up to its Frankfurt-school-psychoanalytical <em>piece de resistance</em>, the theory of the so-called "authoritarian personality": the "authoritarian personality" ultimately designates that form of subjectivity which "irrationally" insists on its specific way of life and, in the name of its self-enjoyment, resists liberal proofs of its supposed "true interests." The theory of the "authoritarian personality" is nothing but an expression of the ressentiment of the left-liberal intelligentsia apropos of the fact that the "non-enlightened" working classes were not prepared to accept its guidance: an expression of the intelligentsia's inability to offer a positive theory of this resistance.
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Take my wife... by force! (by AynRandAnCap)
2017-04-06T04:55:56+00:00343959a week ago or so i was trying to find that old jdpon video (i could only find the clip henry krinkle has uploaded), but i came across this video which seems pretty relevant and ahead of its time.
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Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Take my wife... by force! (by kamelred)
2017-04-06T03:16:29+00:00343953</p><style type="text/css">.custom343910{color:#131A38 !important; background-color:#FF9ECF !important; }</style><blockquote class="custom343910"><em><a href="/forum/post/343910/">tears</a> posted:</em><br/><p class="postbody_text">thirdplace posted:
<br/>sorry tears. but that shitstain both exemplifies swampperson's point and is an excellent reminder of just how disgustingly evil these people can get
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<br/>it really fucks with your head to look out at all the seemingly normal men you might meet in a day and idly wonder which ones are going home to write a blog about how the right to beat up and rape women is theirs by birth
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<br/>if you saw one you'd know it
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: Take my wife... by force! (by marimite)
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