Latest posts on ['zzone project] Lets read about the weird political lines of random first world left groupuscules from wikipedia topichttps://rhizzone.net/forum/topic/11397/2013-11-16T22:32:48+00:00Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: ['zzone project] Lets read about the weird political lines of random first world left groupuscules from wikipedia (by getfiscal)
2013-11-16T22:32:48+00:00200695</p><style type="text/css">.custom200694{}</style><blockquote class="custom200694"><em><a href="/forum/post/200694/">Joe_the_Plumber</a> posted:</em><br/><p class="postbody_text">Good meeting! PSL guy kept trying to talk about the CBS TV show, The Big Bang Theory.</p></blockquote><p class="postbody_text">his nom de guerre is bazinga
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: ['zzone project] Lets read about the weird political lines of random first world left groupuscules from wikipedia (by Joe_the_Plumber)
2013-11-16T21:33:20+00:00200694Good meeting! PSL guy kept trying to talk about the CBS TV show, The Big Bang Theory.
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: ['zzone project] Lets read about the weird political lines of random first world left groupuscules from wikipedia (by Superabound)
2013-11-16T08:35:36+00:00200622San Dimas High School Anti-Revisionist Party rules
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: ['zzone project] Lets read about the weird political lines of random first world left groupuscules from wikipedia (by Lessons)
2013-11-16T03:34:17+00:00200594The Anti-Revisionist Party of San Dimas, CA said the OP sucks balls. The Anti-Revisionist Party of San Dimas, CA says the OP has a feeder fetish tumblr and he posts on it every day and also reblogs MaggotMaster posts. The Anti-Revisionist Party of San Dimas, CA says it's peanut butter jelly time. However you must keep in mind wikipedia is not a reliable source and maybe none of this is true.
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: ['zzone project] Lets read about the weird political lines of random first world left groupuscules from wikipedia (by postposting)
2013-11-16T02:32:25+00:00200590also did u know that saddam hussein gassed his own people??
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<br/>pretty fucked up imo
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: ['zzone project] Lets read about the weird political lines of random first world left groupuscules from wikipedia (by cars)
2013-11-16T00:51:47+00:00200584that quote was super popular that day among fucked up acquaintances trying to defend foxconn / apple. references to "ancestor worship" Superabounded
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2013-11-16T00:48:30+00:00200583</p><style type="text/css">.custom200582{}</style><blockquote class="custom200582"><em><a href="/forum/post/200582/">acephalousuniverse</a> posted:</em><br/><p class="postbody_text">can u post thing i cn read about that^^^ interested</p></blockquote><p class="postbody_text">
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<br/><a href="http://mobile.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSBRE88N00L20120924?i=1&irpc=932">http://mobile.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSBRE88N00L20120924?i=1&irpc=932</a>
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<br/></p><blockquote><p class="postbody_text">Xinhua quoted a senior official with the Taiyuan city government as saying investigators initially determined the fight broke out as workers from Shandong Province clashed with workers from Henan. The agency earlier quoted Taiyuan City's public security bureau as saying about 5,000 police had tackled the violence.</p></blockquote><p class="postbody_text">
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2013-11-16T00:28:17+00:00200582can u post thing i cn read about that^^^ interested
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2013-11-15T22:00:22+00:00200572</p><style type="text/css">.custom200511{}</style><blockquote class="custom200511"><em><a href="/forum/post/200511/">getfiscal</a> posted:</em><br/><p class="postbody_text">china is essentially an open labour market. it works through intermediaries and joint ventures but the labour is fully available and deployed towards servicing the US/foreign market and then the layers of society that have been enriched through this process of exploitation. urbanization and the resulting megacities are from uneven development. almost half the country is still rural and mostly very poor. industrial workers often have very long work weeks and large numbers of them sleep in barracks or on work sites.</p></blockquote><p class="postbody_text">
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<br/>also relevant is that contemporary china shuttles around labor armies from different parts of their territory like ancient assyria, and then when the workers rebel against the local corporate gendarmes, the state media explains that to the west that this is "ethnic conflict"
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: ['zzone project] Lets read about the weird political lines of random first world left groupuscules from wikipedia (by Lysenko)
2013-11-15T20:54:37+00:00200568</p><style type="text/css">.custom200507{}</style><blockquote class="custom200507"><em><a href="/forum/post/200507/">Superabound</a> posted:</em><br/><p class="postbody_text">have any of these people considered that instead of forming their own college groups and enticing random rubes to join, and thus diluting their pure Marxism with impurity and ideological deviation, they should instead try seeding preexisting impure and ideologically deviant college groups with good Marxists in order to co-opt and redirect existing power structures and financial pathways??
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<br/>*in michael richard's voice* he's a trot! he's a trot! he's a trot!
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: ['zzone project] Lets read about the weird political lines of random first world left groupuscules from wikipedia (by peepaw)
2013-11-15T12:43:59+00:00200531</p><style type="text/css">.custom200507{}</style><blockquote class="custom200507"><em><a href="/forum/post/200507/">Superabound</a> posted:</em><br/><p class="postbody_text">have any of these people considered that instead of forming their own college groups and enticing random rubes to join, and thus diluting their pure Marxism with impurity and ideological deviation, they should instead try seeding preexisting impure and ideologically deviant college groups with good Marxists in order to co-opt and redirect existing power structures and financial pathways??</p></blockquote><p class="postbody_text">
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<br/>cuz that shit gets shut down the first time our awkward marxoteen stands up and declares everyone free herself from the shackles of captial during the subcommittee meeting on pizza party budgeting under the question of whether to try that new dominoes because i hear they have a good crust now or stick with papa john's
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: ['zzone project] Lets read about the weird political lines of random first world left groupuscules from wikipedia (by getfiscal)
2013-11-15T07:26:10+00:00200511</p><style type="text/css">.custom200509{}</style><blockquote class="custom200509"><em><a href="/forum/post/200509/">postposting</a> posted:</em><br/><p class="postbody_text">just b/c there's no invading army at the border, doesn't mean that there is not a concerted effort by western interests to gain access to the rich labor resources of the country to use at their will.</p></blockquote><p class="postbody_text">china is essentially an open labour market. it works through intermediaries and joint ventures but the labour is fully available and deployed towards servicing the US/foreign market and then the layers of society that have been enriched through this process of exploitation. urbanization and the resulting megacities are from uneven development. almost half the country is still rural and mostly very poor. industrial workers often have very long work weeks and large numbers of them sleep in barracks or on work sites. the social welfare net only exists in a very limited way and is often associated with large fees that exclude people. china "functions" to an extent, but so does india.
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<br/>i mean india's constitution declares the country socialist. the party in power has traditionally considered itself a socialist party. the institutions mostly "work" in bourgeois terms. there are pockets of wealth and skyscrapers in major cities, surrounded by slums and extreme rural poverty. marxist insurgencies are demonstrably causing india significant problems, and india has a better chance of splitting apart than china. it seems to me we shouldn't "defend politically" india in any sense, i'm not sure what makes china so different except that the state has retained more public ownership and such.
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2013-11-15T07:04:21+00:00200509</p><style type="text/css">.custom200484{}</style><blockquote class="custom200484"><em><a href="/forum/post/200484/">getfiscal</a> posted:</em><br/><p class="postbody_text">i think the line is somewhat reasonable but it is not marxist. "dare to struggle, dare to win" is the marxist line. anywhere this is class oppression there will be class struggle, and it's the job of marxists to raise the level of this struggle to the possibility of working class rule in order to build socialism. it's not a question of whether people will rebel, they already are continuously rebelling in china, which has thousands of incidents of struggle which are currently unfocused and disparate. the point is to provide clarity for these struggles through political unity around a communist party. the idea that marxists should tail after the bourgeois state in some defencist mode is silly in the absence of a specific existential threat. like if japan invaded again with mech units or something then maybe the principal contradiction would be imperialism. but right now the chinese comprador state is the main obstacle to sustainable economic development.
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<br/>which is actually a thing. there are still hundreds of millions of people in china who are very poor and have uneven access to services. even cities like lagos in nigeria and such have pockets of wealth and tall buildings. china is also orienting towards exploitation of africa on a long-term basis. it has a better government than many other countries but it is also a key part of a global economic system that traps many more outside china in poverty.</p></blockquote><p class="postbody_text">
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<br/>alright, but what are you really saying here? can you identify a worker's movement in china that is committed to marxist struggle in opposition to the government? will the further intrusion of foreign capital really be a greater force for workers' welfare than the chinese communist party?
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<br/>while i agree that communists should provide clarity to ongoing struggles, i think it's also relevant here that first-world parties should recognize their inadequacy to sort out the histories and affiliations of nations they are not a part of. especially when the contours of u.s. debate boil down to china vs. u.s., freedom vs. totalitarianism, etc. i also think you underestimate the threat of imperialism in this context. just b/c there's no invading army at the border, doesn't mean that there is not a concerted effort by western interests to gain access to the rich labor resources of the country to use at their will.
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: ['zzone project] Lets read about the weird political lines of random first world left groupuscules from wikipedia (by Superabound)
2013-11-15T06:47:01+00:00200507have any of these people considered that instead of forming their own college groups and enticing random rubes to join, and thus diluting their pure Marxism with impurity and ideological deviation, they should instead try seeding preexisting impure and ideologically deviant college groups with good Marxists in order to co-opt and redirect existing power structures and financial pathways??
Discussion :: Laissez's Faire :: ['zzone project] Lets read about the weird political lines of random first world left groupuscules from wikipedia (by cars)
2013-11-15T06:27:56+00:00200500this threads turning into a regular marcy playground!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!